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05 May 2021 13:33:28
Entered the ballot for the Chelsea game, looks like about a 1 in 3 chance so fingers crossed. Rules are pretty strict and no cheeky pint inside, however would love to be successful for my two grandsons 🤞.

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05 May 2021 17:31:04
Iv entered as well, with my Two sons . My youngest lad was there last Saturday, to get his first jab .
As you say Dave, it’s a lottery, but would be great, to cheer them on again .

05 May 2021 09:54:00
Thought I might just add a couple of snippets about the 56/ 57 team.

Nigel Sims. Matinee idol looks, big and quick. Should have been picked for Englanad

Stan Lynn. Hard, fast, big and again totally fearless. Wingers beware. Shin pads essential.
Rocket shot. Took penalties with 100% power. Kelsey of Arsenel got his hands to one pen and ended up in the net.
He ran a sweet shop in Perry Bar in the 60's.
Only later when the press talked about him was he tagged Stan the wham.
Stan the man or Lynny.
My favourite player of all time.

Peter Aldis came from Cadburys team. Nowhere to cup winner. Once scored with a header from about 35yds
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Stan Crowther Blonde hair 100% player. Man U bought him just after Munich and he became the only player to play for two different teams in the cup in the same year.

Jimmy Dugdale came from the Baggies. Very agile, good in the tackle and quick.

Pat Sayward tall Irish lad great in a tackle and again quick

Les Smith, small, agile. Lasting impression of him was lying in the mud beating his fists into the ground having put the ball across in the semi for someone to score.

Jacky Sewell, again smallish but was the midield general. Pain in the arse to everyone

Billy Myerscough was a busy player that just arrived and nicked the No9 spot for the final.

Johnny Dixon. Tall and an elegant player. Remember him scoring many goals.
My Dad reckoned he was among the top players in England and related a story about Dixon balancing the ball on his head and running through to score. True or false. don't know.

Peter McParland, again fast and fearless. All round a fans player and a players player Good with feet and head. Controversially shoulder charged Ray Wood in the final. Villa had worked out that Wood always threw the ball out and took his time. Apparently the players were told to get him to move the ball quicker.

In later years Wood was said to have admitted that the shoulder charge was fair but because he moved to brace himself the two players met at some pace and he had dropped his head slightly thus incurring the injury.
This argument went on for years but the result was the same.
Man Utd were massive favourites, Villa were there to make up the numbers.
Another tail that went round was that Man U wanted a photo taken before the game with them in clean kit as it would look better when they won.

I still have the Argus and Green Mail from that night.

Probably bored you all but sometimes a look back is fun.

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05 May 2021 11:40:15
Not boring at all TOV, it’s nice to reminisce about good times after all we haven’t really had much of a sniff at the FA Cup since.

05 May 2021 14:49:20
No it`s nice to read Oldvillan, I was 7 at the time, but still remember the day very well.
We also had the very same Argus for years, and for some reason it got lost in transit, when my parents moved home.

05 May 2021 15:49:37
Hi Dave,
Thought you might recognise my philosophy on hard quick defenders.
Stay well.
Keep your shin pads on mate.

05 May 2021 16:16:20
They don`t make players like those guys anymore Oldvillan.
You and yours stay safe as well mate, shin pads are at the ready 👍.

Formula 1: Portugal Talking Points

05 May 2021 07:39:07
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Formula 1: Portugal Talking Points

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04 May 2021 23:57:32
Old villain you missed somebody off that list. In the mid 70s, I sat in the centre of the N Stand, there were always two empty seats . Some of the people around said they belonged to an ex Villa player CF.

One game two people turned up, one was tall and the other one, a shorter man with ginger / blond hair . When I got talking to them, to my surprise, the shorter man, was the ex player . His name was Derek Pace, what a lovely man.

He was telling me, how he was top scorer, but for some reason got left out of the squad . On a later occasion, he brought his winner's medal, that the supporters had made for him, because, he didn't get an original.

He later signed for Sheffield U I think and went on to become a legend there . He worked fo Churchill engineering as a rep, he said that if he was seen in Sheffield, the word went round and he was wined and dined . This didn't do him any favours, as I believe when he died, he had a drink problem .
Onwards&Upwards Villaforever.

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05 May 2021 09:02:47
Yes Derek played every game up until the final when Billy Myerscough was picked.
All the fans were a bit like today and were up in arms.
I listed the medal winners and Derek missed the final.
Nobody knew why he lost his place and as you point out he got a fans medal which was deserved.

He got his revenge several times against us scoring many goals.

04 May 2021 21:13:25
A striker I've mused about on here is available for £22M in the summer, Andrea Bellotti of Torino, he would be adored by the Villa faithful, in the same way as Carew was, a proper No9 and a steal at that price

UTV.

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04 May 2021 22:03:51
Is there a parrot one here 🦜? 😂
Timing is everything on here sometimes. How’s Bellotti done this season Ally?

04 May 2021 23:07:50
Ally haven’t you heard? Johan lange has being sacked and he gotten his job so we are not signing any players this year😂😂😂.

05 May 2021 08:17:12
We’re Aston Villa, we sign who we want. 🦁 💰💰💰

UTV.

05 May 2021 08:30:40
He’s got 12 goals in 31 games, 7 assists @Chris but he won’t be joining Aston Villa

UTV.

05 May 2021 08:36:46
19 in 31 is very good in my eyes. Although I’m sure he’s usually comfortably 15+ every season in the goals.

04 May 2021 21:05:34
A number of posters on here have previously waxed lyrical about Andrea Bellotti from Torino well apparently he will be available in the summer for £22 million, so my question is to those who know more about Bellotti than I do, would you take him over Tammy?

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04 May 2021 21:08:52
From what I've season, which in the last season hasn’t been much but saw quite a bit the two seasons prior, I can’t understand why they’d let him go for 22 million, I’d of expected double that if not more.

Very different playing style to Tammy so hard to judge, he’s a lot more clinical than the Tammy we saw at Villa, but not as physical.

04 May 2021 21:24:08
I think we were reading the same article at the same time John 😂 from what I’ve read about him, he’s a proper club man, captain of Torino, he’s 27 so should be peaking around now, I’ve posted that he’d be a Carew type of signing, he didn’t do too bad for us did he 🤷🏼‍♂️

UTV.

{Ed002's Note - Belotti won’t be signing for Aston Villa.}

04 May 2021 21:33:07
Ed 02 you are great at telling us who won’t be signing for us, how about telling us some who will.

{Ed002's Note - I can tell you where there is known interest in players (for example, Aston Villa have spoken with Chelsea about Ruben Loftus-Cheek’s availability), but you don’t seem interested in that - it is just a series of fantasy football stuff that seems to be of interest.}

04 May 2021 21:57:06
Even when we have a declared interest in a player for example Olise you are quite confident he won’t sign so when we identify the likes of Depay and to a certain extent Bellotti I can understand why particularly in the case of Depay we haven’t got a prayer of signing because he will definitely have better options available than us, and with Bellotti again if we were interested we would definitely be outsiders although clubs like Utd have turned there nose up at him in the past so who knows, but why are you so confident that a mid table premiership side has no chance of signing an up and coming championship midfielder?

{Ed002's Note - Because there are far more attractive clubs interested and he wants to go elsewhere. I have explained all of this already.}

04 May 2021 22:06:06
Just let people debate players and discuss them, no one on here has once said we’re signing any of these players, in every case it’s “we would like Villa to sign X, Y and Z”. No ones saying it’s happening or going to happen, just opinions and debate.

What’s the point in a discussion site if you attempt to stop every discussion before it starts?

04 May 2021 22:22:25
Attractive in your eyes maybe, but its his eyes that are making the decisions.

04 May 2021 22:45:31
Do these more attractive clubs have nicer benches? Perhaps with a games console 🤷🏼‍♂️

UTV.

05 May 2021 21:25:42
Don't get the "he'll never join Villa" opinions - We aren't talking about Mbappe or Haaland, it's Bellotti whos 27 and has played for Torino for the last 6 years. Personally I don't think we would be interested as he goes against our transfer policy but if we were I'd be confident we could sign him.

{Ed002's Note - What a stupid post - some of these are getting embarrassing.}

04 May 2021 20:02:13
Nigel Sims
Stan Lynn
Peter Aldis
Stan Crowther
Jimmy Dgdale
Pat Saward
Leslie Smith
Jimmy Sewell
Billy Myerscough
Johnny Dixon
Peter Mcparland

What have these players got in common?
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They are the last AVFC players to win an FA cup winners medal.
Yes 65 years ago on this day AVFC beat the busby Babes at Wembley.
Does anyone know if any of our hero's
are still with us?
There must be a small chance that one or two in their mid 80's are still here.
I hope that the management have shared this date with the players.
WE play MU on Saturday and a similar result would be a fitting climax.

The Very Old Villan.

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04 May 2021 20:22:34
I was 6 then and hadn’t ventured to Villa Park.
Sims, Lynn, Dugdale, and Mcparland I do remember from my early Days supporting Villa.

04 May 2021 20:23:47
Old villain good to hear from you. Peter mac i believe is 87 and still going.

04 May 2021 20:24:08
McParland is still alive I think he is in his late eighties now but will live long in-our hearts particularly as it was against Utd.

04 May 2021 20:55:18
PM lives down on the south coast I believe👍.

04 May 2021 22:00:39
You are spot on chris, my wife and I were down by his place last week, drove down for the day, parking £2.20 a bleeding hour. 😂😂
He lives in Bournmouth mate.

05 May 2021 09:10:50
£2.20 an hour.
Thats cheap.
Try Whitstable. £3.00 in some of the C/ P.
However we have a long sea view road where you can park for free.
No limit. Park Monday return 2/ 3/ 4 weeks later for free.
Peter Mc was everybodys favourite.
Pace, power and fearless.
My type of player.

04 May 2021 18:50:09
I have to say I am appalled at the behaviour of the so called police officers, who dealt with our very own Dalian Atkinson.
I listened to an in depth account of what happened that night, and I have nothing but sympathy for Dalian as a human being, and for his family.
The description given about the kicking of Dalians head, made me feel nothing but hatred towards someone, who is labeled a police officer, and a man.
I can only say, I hope you get what you deserve.

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04 May 2021 19:36:53
I'm lost for words dave I was just eating my tea when it was on the news hopefully justice is served properly mate.

04 May 2021 20:16:53
Let's hope and pray this "black life mattered ". America recently convicted a white cop in the murder of black man, George Floyd, hopefully it will be the same result here, both had underlying heart and health issues that in medical opinions weren't the cause death, justice must be served. Institutional racism is still in our police I just hope the jury do their job and are not swayed by the "they were only doing their job" brigade.

04 May 2021 20:57:46
The part about him already being incapacitated yet the officer still kicking him twice to the head, hard enough to leave the imprint on his head, was truly truly sickening.

He’s there to protect and he did the exact opposite.

04 May 2021 21:43:25
Well said guys.

05 May 2021 15:01:17
It’s truly heartbreaking to hear the accounts in court. I remember being shocked and appalled at the time, and even back then it felt like an avoidable tragedy. What has come to light since is far worse than could’ve been imagined. the level of anger and total loss of control, and has led to the death of a troubled and clearly vulnerable man. HEITS. May justice be served.

04 May 2021 14:50:50
Villajohn, agents are the biggest scourge, in football, they are becoming more and more greedy . They do not add anything to football at all, all they do is take out . Can't say exactly the figures, but I bet over the last 10 years it's been staggering.
When Ronaldos agent, can buy him an island for his birthday, you know he's getting to much .
Onwards&Upwards Villaforever.

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04 May 2021 13:18:26
Reading this morning that if Haaland moves this summer whichever club signs him is going to have to find an additional 40 million euros over and above the transfer fee, 20 million for Haaland's dad and 20 million for his agent! Whilst I know agents have been part of the game for a number of years the amount of money being taken out of the game by these people is ridiculous, to me it's one of a number of reasons why football needs to be regulated. If we are not careful the bubble is going to burst and clubs including big names will go to the wall, it would only take some of these wealthy owners to tire of football, walk away and some clubs would be in very deep trouble, that's why I do worry a little about the size of our debt which is likely to grow if the rumours of a big summer spend are true. I know our owners have been up front with plans and have been true to there word however if they were to have a 'Randy Lerner' moment and decide to pull back investment and we might end up with another Dr Tony god forbid.

{Ed002's Note - The figures are not exactly what is being asked for but the numbers are indeed very high and very significant fees can be paid to agents and other third parties. Clubs need to be self-sustaining as far as is possible - and that is the reason why FFP exists.}

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04 May 2021 13:32:22
Atleast it’s not like Neymars Dad and there’s a few brasses included😂.

04 May 2021 13:44:44
That’s one of the reasons I posed the question the other day about would we sell any of our players if the fees were right. So if we received a large bid for Jack we could utilise half the fee to re invest, and half to reduce the debt, I am sure that won’t be a popular view with a lot on this site but we can’t just keep spending money which if we are honest we don’t have/ generate.

04 May 2021 14:31:23
Good point John, It doesn`t have to be popular though does it mate, the real question is if its viable, and if it works for the good of the club, (selling Jack) I mean.
I also agree with you 100% John, about people bleeding the game of money, I have also said on here, that if we continue the way we are, football will be finished.
I can only see it imploding, thus the game will be no more, as we know it anyway.

04 May 2021 16:58:17
I agree Dave and it is a worry. I know ideally we would want to keep Jack, and I would as well, but you can’t keep throwing money you don’t actually have at the recruitment of new players and think there won’t be a payback . So if we sold Jack, re invested half and say sold Martinez and replaced him with Heaton and again used that money to offset our debt would the team be that much weaker? If our recruitment was good I would argue not necessarily however one thing would be for certain financially we would be a lot more secure than we are now.

04 May 2021 17:15:54
I like your analogy John, it does makes some sense.
As you say better if we can get round it some other way, after all we do have some dead wood onboard that would help balance things out a bit.

04 May 2021 18:00:50
Do you think we aren’t financially secure at the moment John?

04 May 2021 18:02:38
Hopefully in a couple of years it'll be a moot point when the revamped academy starts churning out a constant conveyor belt of talent. I think ultimately that's the aim.

04 May 2021 18:18:13
Chris, I guess my honest answer is I don’t know but I read reports that our debt is £99 million or there abouts and that makes me shudder, as I said earlier our owners have been as good as there word to date, but Randy Lerner was for a while and I just hope NSWE are really in for the long haul as I wouldn’t want us to go the way of Leeds or latterly Portsmouth I may be worrying unnecessarily I certainly hope so and as I say our owners have given me no reason to suppose they will jump ship I guess I am just of a nervous disposition 😩.

Moose I agree on the academy up to a point but it will be interesting to see what happens with Chukwuemeka because if he decides to seek pastures new in the summer because he has no faith that he has a pathway into the first team then I am not sure the academy will deliver what we all hope it will.

04 May 2021 19:12:15
John it's important, especially if he's wanted by some big clubs, that we give him some exposure before the season ends, wet his appetite so to speak and convince him, and others, that Villa is the place to be.

04 May 2021 19:29:24
Agreed Moose I just hope the club see it that way.

04 May 2021 20:05:52
A substitute appearance and getting the winner against Utd would be a good start 👍.

04 May 2021 21:06:11
Fair enough John.

The accounts were released a week ago for the tax year ending May 2020, the clubs debt is zero pounds, zero pence. The owners wiped it, and are committed to keeping the club debt free moving forward.

The 99million you mentioned was the operating loss for the year, not debt against the club, the operating loss for the tax year ending may 2021 will be higher than this as the results just released still have half a season of fans in stadiums, obviously for the last 12 months we haven’t had that.

However you compare our results/ standing with that of other premier league clubs and we are in brilliant condition, and you shouldn’t have any worry of a Portsmouth, Leeds type situation👍

I’ve said it before and still stick by it, losing the play off final to Fulham a few years back was the best thing to happen to this club in decades!

 


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