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27 Sep 2020 13:33:17
Apparently Alli is available and Chris Sutton has suggested he could come to us.
I know we were linked to him when he was at MK Dons but for me he is by far the most overrated player in the league.

He had one good season as an unknown but has been found out regularly ever since. Plays like a beemer/ merc/ audi driver who thinks they're all that because they've "made it".


1.) 27 Sep 2020 13:46:50
Alli is a good player had a poor season last year but before that I think his stats since he joined Spurs stand comparison with anyone playing in that type of role. I think he struggles with how Mourinho wants him to play, however I am not sure he is what we need right now, I would rather we bought a wide man and moved Jack into a more central position where I think he can create more havoc.

Just as an aside, I drive a Mercedes but I certainly don’t think I have “made it“ lol 😊.

2.) 27 Sep 2020 15:30:33
We want footballers not Boxers. 😊.

3.) 27 Sep 2020 15:31:57
Joking aside, totally agree John.

4.) 27 Sep 2020 16:09:49
Agree John, no doubt he improves us, but it’s one of the last positions we need improving in.

I rate Alli, just think he’s only really played in his position for two seasons. Did pretty well, and because of that success he just kept getting pushed further forward and then out wide which just never worked. He’s a number 8, old school, box to box, from a time when centre mids were expected to do both, go forwards and backwards, that’s how he made his name and needs to get back to it to see the best of him.

There are big questions about his attitude, seems pretty childish on the all or nothing documentary.



27 Sep 2020 13:32:09
The Sun obviously have their biases but are normally clued in on transfers. The Scottish Sun claim Brighton have expressed an interest in Edouard. Maybe that makes him available for less than we thought? No way they pay the expected £40mill on a player.




12 Sep 2020 10:15:28
I see Noel Whelan is up to his old tricks again. Claims Wilson not happening meant we panic bought our second choice.
Obviously does zero research before spouting off when Watkins was clearly our main transfer target from day 1.


1.) 12 Sep 2020 10:36:54
The guy is an irrelevant cretin. The man is robbing a living. Every man and his dog knew Watkins was Smith’s number one target.

2.) 12 Sep 2020 11:47:43
Agree ant, the Watkins deal took at least 2 weeks to thrash out it was almost there before any bid went in for Wilson, isn’t whelan a Leeds fan? Nothing but jealousy they couldn’t even convince their manager to stay on for more than 1 year cause he knows they going to do a Norwich and go straight back down😂😂.

3.) 12 Sep 2020 12:04:46
Just for clarity Whackattack Bielsa only ever signs 1 year contracts so it’s nothing to do with his lack of faith in his team, and I for one don’t think they will go down in fact I think they are more likely to do a Wolves or Sheffield Utd. Bielsa is a class act.

4.) 12 Sep 2020 12:07:02
I can never understand why ex-pros are considered experts in the transfer market. I don’t think they have any more idea than the rest of us and clearly don’t research much, if anything.

Kevin Phillips suggests we made a massive mistake in missing out on Callum Wilson. Well, firstly the guy didn’t want to move to Villa and, secondly, he has a paltry scoring record in the EPL, managing double figures once. All the Sky and Talk Sport place the guy on a pedestal as some phenomenal goal scorer. Complete tosh.

5.) 12 Sep 2020 12:35:42
If Wilson had stayed with Bournemouth for this season, I doubt that he would have scored half the number of goals Watkins scored last season.

6.) 12 Sep 2020 14:06:06
I do agree villajohn he is a good manager I was just having a pop at Leeds, wasn’t his last contract for 2 years with option to extend by 1 year, well so say the article about him signing the extension anyways, honestly I can’t see them doing a Sheffield or wolves he’s not as good a man manager as wilder or nuno, they threw away automatic promotion last year then rubbish themselves in the playoffs, and started to slip a bit this year also into the new year, bilic was also a good manager with Fulham but it didn’t save him, 1 thing for sure I think this year’s premier league will be tougher than last years, looking through the fixtures there’s none looking to easy, my money is on West Ham Fulham Brighton West Brom and Leeds to slug it out down the bottom, what u guys think who will be in the relegation battle?

7.) 12 Sep 2020 18:32:15
Look at Bielsa’s record, wherever he has been he has had success and he plays a brand of entertaining football which is why he is such a sought after manager. I have even heard Klopp refer to him as world class so that’s good enough for me. Time will tell whether Leeds tsurvive or not it I think they will even if it’s only because there are 3 worse teams which I think will be West Ham, Fulham and Albion I also have a sneaking feeling Brighton might struggle as well.



17 May 2020 09:06:06
If we stay up and get the reported £80mill asking price for Jack who do we think we could realistically bring in?
I think our starting lineup could look like this (Dunk being less likely with the owners strategy of younger players but best option within budget imo) .
Guilbert Dunk Mings Targett
Rashica Mcginn Benrahma
Samatta Wesley

El Ghazi

Only one cm on bench as both starting wingers could slot into that central position.

We could stick with Konsa who has been decent and look at right back instead but I'm struggling to think of any great options available less than £20mill who are significant upgrades.


1.) 19 May 2020 14:27:37
Not a bad line up however I would take a couple of players from Utd for Jack so I would ask for Axel and Chris Smalling.

I like you I know he is outside the age bracket but it gives us some premier league experience which we have been crying out for at the back, and ask for £55 million I would also ditch Wesley Engels Trezeguet Taylor and El Ghazi And I would look to bring in Harry Wilson, Benrahma Barkley Mitrovic and Batshuayi and go 4 4 2.

I am sure there are lots of other ways we could go and it’s great to indulge in a bit of Fatasy football, but I think we can all agree that whatever we do we need to do something different next season.

2.) 19 May 2020 17:34:57
I think Wesley will grow and he has shown at times that coming short to bring people into play is his strength. Wesley deeper with Samatta running the channels could work.

Utd wouldn't give Axel and Smalling for a combined £25mill valuation and Smalling is even worse than what we have imo.
I don't think we'd get enough for the players you listed to buy all of your wish list and ditching both wingers for Benrahma and Wilson would still leave us short in that department.

While his defensive work is poor you can't argue with the fact El Ghazi has won us points at the other end so should keep him for backup/ rotation.

3.) 20 May 2020 14:25:50
Smalling available for £15 mill apparently he has had a decent season with Roma and he certainly isn’t as error strewn as Engels. In terms of cover for the wingers I would use Louie Barry and Green as cover after extending his contract . I don’t think el ghazi or tres does enough at either end of the pitch although tres works hard that isn’t enough in the prem imo. However that’s the beauty of this is it’s all about opinions.

4.) 20 May 2020 18:19:55
With you on that John.

5.) 21 May 2020 06:19:53
Barry isn't really a winger, he can play on the outside of a 3 at a push but he's a number 9 through and through.
I liked Green for us at times in the championship but it worries me he can't even get into a struggling Preston team now. May be a case of just not the right fit and his pace works better for our counter attacks but you'd have thought if he was that good they'd play him.



25 Dec 2019 01:06:16
Maybe controversial but with the lack of pace in our side does anyone else think that the fact we have one of the biggest pitches is working against us?
Worked wonders with Young, Milner, Downing and Gabby but we're a completely different team now, may be worth looking at reducing the dimensions closer to the minimum limit which most bottom half teams tend to do.


1.) 28 Dec 2019 15:58:40
Seriously? I think you're clutching at straws fella or taking the p***.
The problem is playing championship football with mainly championship footballers under a championship manager. Result? Well I think we all know where we're heading.

2.) 28 Dec 2019 17:11:38
Clearly sensible people saw something in it. One thing clearly isn't going to solve everything but at least giving quick players less space and our not quick players a chance to get to the ball first is a small step towards a solution.
Everything at this level of football is minor tweaks, major overhauls statistically fail regularly so why not try things which could help.
Complaining about things while offering zero solutions gets you absolutely nowhere.




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31 Oct 2021 21:55:27
It's funny how Smith made almost every change fans demanded as far as C.V. and jnjuries allowed and he's the one who is still clueless.
Other than a lump that can head a ball Hause offers nothing for me. Targett gets a lot of slack but nobody pointing to Bailey for not covering on the first goal.
Cash also getting credit but at the same time he's become selfish since scoring meaning he takes wild shots when someone else has an easy tap in.
Midfielders keep marking people already marked by defenders which I don't for one second believe Smith coaches them to do.
He needs to make big calls now to stop the vultures. I would bring El ghazi back in for Buendia as he at least scores goals that win us points.
Only Watkins and Nakamba get credit from me. Konsa mopped up as usual prior to the ridiculous sending off but needed to be the voice we missed with Mings being on the bench.
Smith is trying to make big calls but the players keep letting him down. He can change formations and personnel until the cows come home but it is up to the players on the pitch to find space, play the right pass and mark the right man.


1.) 01 Nov 2021 00:02:24
Best post Iv seen so far . As you say Deano did all that posters have been calling for . Buendia and Bailey not had a lot of game time and it showed . As you say you can coach, all you want, but it’s then up to the players to carry it out . Main problem seems to be confidence,
Onwards&Upwards Villaforever.

2.) 01 Nov 2021 02:31:54
No the main problem is that the players don’t look like they want to play for the manager.
That’s when it’s the end of the road, minimal effort from too many.
To defend a man who brought on Ashley young in the midfield which was going to be won on physicality and the ability to pick up the first and second ball was such a bad call.

3.) 01 Nov 2021 06:20:34
While I did not agree with bringing on Young I thought he did just as good a job as Ramsey would have done.
A shaky few minutes to start where he was giving the ball away but he was full of running. He dragged us up the pitch a couple of times and pressed as much as possible with no support.
I would have liked Young to use his experience and take on the organiser role that nobody else was taking responsibility for. I was surprised he didn't.
Smith clearly needs to find a solution but the question still remains; If Smith is clueless, what does that make the scathing fans who called for every one of those changes that he was previously too clueless to make?

4.) 01 Nov 2021 07:46:16
RK Smith's game management and his inflexibility in formation has always been a concern for fans - The "he did what fans wanted" arguement doesn't really apply because the fans (at least the fans I see on this site) are not criticising Smith for not playing 4-3-3 (despite it being the obvious formation for the squad we have) it's the fact that it takes him 7 games to realise something isn't working. Smith finds something that works in one game and then copy and pastes that same approach until we lose 3 games in a row and he is forced to change. I want Smith to succeed as much as anybody but this narrative that he can do no wrong because he "is one of us" by some Villa fans (not you) is getting tiresome. We've lost 4 in a row and we are on the brink of a relegation dogfight with a squad that contains Martinez, Konsa, Bailey, Ings, Watkins, Buendia and a host of other international players and some fantastic youth products - At some point we have to look at Smith's tactics, his substitutions, how he is handling some players etc. He deserves lots of respect from the Villa faithful but there are recurring question marks about his management style that need to be addressed or he will lose his job, and deservedly so.

5.) 01 Nov 2021 10:02:24
I fully agree that he needs to find something that will get this team results or it will be the end of him.
I just feel that I can't see who else would make that much of a difference in the long term that is attainable. A different manager could put their own tactics in place but it still doesn't stop the players making bad decisions when it comes to rushing passes and not closing down an opponent properly.

6.) 01 Nov 2021 13:32:28
Rk agree and it screams the players are not good enough, closing down creating space and passes are basic and we don't do them well enough.



25 Sep 2021 14:50:26
I didn't think we could employ a 3-5-2 without a full pre season of it but fair play we can even beat 12 men now. Mike Dean was absolutely atrocious but we did the job.
Conversion rate compared to last season is a minor concern but hopefully Watkins finds his feet soon and gets back to his best.
Ramsey all action again but a bit like Trez could do with some additional coaching on end product.
Results matter and the tactic is working but it does seem like poor planning to load up on wide players if we're not going to use them. Management have said they want to increase the value of players but our biggest outlays have been on players that will end up losing value at this rate.
Despite the last point I'm an extremely happy fan after the last couple of weeks. We've gone back to having an attacking intent but with a level of results to back it up unlike our first season back.




21 Apr 2021 22:01:54
I saw that coming from Cash. He was all legs from minute one. His desire is great but he needs to play smarter sometimes.
Needless corners, almost took his goalkeepers head off and makes it too easy to bypass him when he can keep it in front of him. The second yellow tops it off when he's got defenders behind him. Yes, he wants to make up for the pathetic toe poke but don't be stupid.


1.) 21 Apr 2021 22:13:35
Agree, Cash has been a good signing but definitely still getting up to the pace of the Premiership. in general we've been appalling for 10+ games now lads. I honestly felt we were a few signings away from being a very good side, I was wrong, tonight was absolutely terrible and I appreciate it's City but we should be able to string some passes together!

2.) 21 Apr 2021 22:17:31
He can’t seem to play against a Manchester club. cost us a few times this year, decent player when he’s not up against superstars, looking forward to having Freddie back for competition.



04 Apr 2021 19:03:50
Scot, fancy posting now we've won mate?
The 4-4-2 worked towards the end but it was partially down to Fulham retreating. We would concede too much ground playing it from the start.
What today showed is without Jack we should go with Davis central and Watkins with Traore/ El Ghazi either side. Davis brings a level of control we miss without Jack and the finishers are either side if him. Today also reiterated why Mcginn shouldn't play deep.
People jumped on the moaning bandwagon again. Yes, we weren't creative enough but other than Mings being too laid back again we never really looked like conceding. The stats about SOT were misleading when most of their "chances" were blind passes to the goalkeeper or otherwise hopefully efforts at best.


1.) 04 Apr 2021 19:09:36
Rk, you need to understand people are allowed to moan and complain, its what life is all about mate.
No way can you defend the first hour of that, as what you would like to watch for the rest of the season.
If it is, fine you carry on, it was a welcome 3 points yes of course.

2.) 04 Apr 2021 19:27:19
Dave, you need to understand that an opinion is only valid if you're willing to comment under any circumstance. You've only really come back to comment on this and while I respect you far more than some on here it's disappointing you choose this time to make a point.
We can't play good football every minute if every match. I've already commented that we weren't creative enough but we never looked like conceding until the mistake.
I absolutely can defend what we did as we stayed in the game rather than going gung ho like we did last season to the point we were out of the game before we were in it.

3.) 04 Apr 2021 19:29:11
Agree 100% villa Dave

You telling me that all the posters on here banging on about we were comfortable for the first hour, never looked like conceding etc etc would be saying the same thing if they were at villa park watching it leave having forked out hard earned money for the pleasure. not achance.

4.) 04 Apr 2021 19:30:04
Davis’s presence transformed the game, the assist he provided for Trez’s second goal will have done his confidence a world of good.
On that showing, 25 minutes by the way it’s usually just 10, he deserves to start in the next game, whether it be in the usual 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2.
If he can steer clear of injuries I think there’s a hell of a player in him and he might just save the club a fortune.
We were robbed of a penalty in the first half but it was probably a blessing in disguise because had it been 1-0 to us with 25 minutes left I doubt we would have seen the changes that proved to be inspirational.
TOV you were quoting Shakespeare in the first half, describing the performance as ‘ a comedy of errors’, well
‘ Alls well that ends well’, mate. 😁👍.

5.) 04 Apr 2021 19:46:53
rk everyone is entitled to an opinion that’s the benefit of living in a democracy you can express it . You might not like the opinion but Dave is perfectly entitled to his view. In terms of today’s game great result poor overall performance and whilst I agree with you that we can’t play good football every minute there have been far too many minutes over the last half dozen games or so where we haven’t and I have to say that for 70 minutes today I thought we performed more like a Steve Bruce side than a Dean Smith one. However the positives today were the result, Smith making substitutions early enough for them to have an impact the fact he played two up top, and the performances of Trez and Davis. Onwards and upwards.

6.) 04 Apr 2021 19:50:55
Can I also refer back to my original post, can those who only post when we're losing please post now we have won?
I've openly pointed out on all occasions things we have done well and others we could do better but I'm yet to see one of the overly negative posters say a single thing when we've grabbed the 3 points.
Scot, now is the perfect time to be considered a reasoned poster. Hold your hands up that we found a way to win but also reasonably suggest a way to do it better.

7.) 04 Apr 2021 20:13:19
Thank you Smithy, the truth hurts mate.

8.) 04 Apr 2021 20:15:58
Like it Mark 👍 not quite a midsummer's night dream but definitely not a midsummer murders 😁.

9.) 04 Apr 2021 20:25:17
Rk, you have suggested in your post timed 19:27 that I have only come back to comment on this, what do you mean mate.
I post several times most days on here, so I don`t understand your point.
I post on most topics mate, irrespective of a win or loss, so you have lost me.

10.) 04 Apr 2021 20:50:02
Flippin eck yes it was boring for 70 minutes but the changes were made and we came alive kudos to the management and a big shout for mings who stepped right up and did everything to make up for his error i am very pleased with the character shown when it all looked dead and lost i will watch that every week if we can put games to bed like that. Also a nod to trez who does nothing and then turns up at the most important of moments what a guy 😂UTV.

11.) 04 Apr 2021 21:20:34
You disappeared for ages. I've left the trolls myself to do what they please as I also became disillusioned with the crap on here when I've had more important things to attend to.
We've regularly disagreed with the severity of the issues but we always specify where we're coming from unlike those whom I have been calling out.
My point us that considering your relative radio silence it was disappointing that you called me out for a fairly balanced point of view to defend people who yet again won't say a word once the 3 points are in the bag.
I am willing on a win to say we weren't brilliant, they aren't willing to say anything other than bad things only when we lose.
Am I a bad person to ask people who claim to be supporters to comment reasonably on all outcomes? Like I said, now is the perfect chance to congratulate the result but offer constructive criticism but as usual they can't do it.

12.) 04 Apr 2021 21:51:15
Overall great 3 points in the end. stepped up when could of just folded after going 1 down to such a sloppy goal, but impressed with how we changed shape and showed character. mings showing great character after his error. so pleased for Davis also and the impact he had, spec after some of the (IMO) unfair pelters he gets 🙌🏻😆 UTV!

13.) 04 Apr 2021 22:01:38
Sorry mate I disagree, I told a couple of friends on here 3 weeks ago I was giving it a rest for a few days, 9 in fact, hardly ages mate.
I have been posting on here for 10 years rk, its a hobby of mine.

14.) 04 Apr 2021 22:10:17
What has happened to the friendly banter that we used to have?
If you don't agree just say so.
Biggest problem with all social media is that people hide behind the fact that no one can see them, they are anonymous.
Most of the comments that cause offence would not be done to the victims face for fear of a quick slap
Posters have left this site because of aggressive replies, comments.
Shame on the cowards who hide behind their chosen fictitious name.
Fortunately I am not a victim but nevertheless I am off.
Goodbye to the real genuine posters.

15.) 04 Apr 2021 23:17:33
Well said Oldvillan, the choice is yours obviously but please keep reading mate.
I for one will miss your input TOV, You and your wife KEEP SAFE.

16.) 05 Apr 2021 08:25:15
I hope that doesn’t mean you won’t be available for the grudge match against those Leeds boys TOV.
We’re going to need our arse kicking captain at the back 😂.
Stay safe mate, hope you come back to the fold soon, as Dave said, you’re input will be missed. 👍🍻.

17.) 05 Apr 2021 09:30:15
Oldvillain i'd suggest you stay on here and only answer to the sensible comments. We need inputs like yours.

18.) 05 Apr 2021 10:24:11
TOV I agree with you I stopped posting for a while because of the response I received to a post I made which interestingly enough was from one of the Ed’s rather than a regular poster and as a consequence I have avoided commenting for a while, however I am going to follow the advice of southernvillain and be selective over what I respond to, it would be a shame to stop posting altogether we would miss your input and the comments re Mrs TOV and her fondness for the Albion😀.

19.) 05 Apr 2021 14:31:59
Spot on John, hope you and family are well mate.

20.) 05 Apr 2021 15:12:47
Your opinions will be missed TOV, right or wrong they're YOUR opinions and deserve to be discussed in an appropriate manner as do any others who post on here. It's not a game of one-upmanship but a place to air our views and discuss there merits or lack thereof in a civilised fashion.
I feel like doing a Dead Poets Society and standing on my chair shouting 'Oh Captain, my Captain " if you've seen the film you'll get the gist.
Keep safe, you and your family 👍.

21.) 05 Apr 2021 17:00:38
Things good at this end Dave hope it’s the same with you and yours.

22.) 05 Apr 2021 18:17:23
That`s good John, we are all good here thanks mate. 👍👍.



08 Mar 2021 22:03:33
2 games in hand over Liverpool and still haven't played Everton or Spurs.
Europe may be a pipe dream but it's still there for the taking if we can drag ourselves back into form.


1.) 08 Mar 2021 22:43:56
4 points off spurs and 4 off Everton would be lovely, might be pushing it though😂😂 1 of those seasons that anything can happen.

2.) 09 Mar 2021 08:20:13
Would be a ridiculous achievement from this position, but so was gaining promotion from 14th in the championship!
Regardless we have had a brilliant season showing excellent strides from last.

If Grealish came back and had an effect like he did when we were in the championship, then anything can happen!
But for now, too many ifs and buts in there, mid table/ top half will be more than adequate progress.




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28 Apr 2021 22:31:11
Wes Edens basketball team suggedt that also John, they took a young coach and focused on the money moneyball tactic with the players until it clicked. I imagine he's probably the more hands on of the owners with that experience and he's recently done an interview backing the stats based approach.




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27 Apr 2021 22:03:16
Dave, I know you haven't said he needs replacing now but you also said he needs to change something or he would need to be.
If the players pick their form back up and we add, as expected, in the summer then would the system and other things still need to change? Smith has seen that the players can go on a good run with how it is. Ripping up the hymn sheet doesn't stop them passing to the advertising hoardings when they get a rush of blood or aren't focusing properly.
Klopp has players out injured and out of form. People suggest the high line isn't helping but a lot of people would also suggest they'd probably still ship goals regardless with the second rate defenders that are having to play.




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27 Apr 2021 20:41:00
So 2 managers who are no longer with us? Very great managers but I was looking for something more in the now as you say he has to learn to change or be replaced by someone who will.
Klopp didn't change his tactics and Liverpool have suffered this season. People have questioned the high line and him not changing tact but is anybody questioning his managerial abilities or suggesting he is on borrowed time because of it?




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27 Apr 2021 19:25:07
Dave, please name a manager in the Premier League (or anywhere) who has majorly changed their system and selections based on a run of iffy form.
Managers have their ideas and they stick by them. We can disagree with them but other managers can't be better in that regard when they don't do it either.
Other managers may have a system which works better for certain teams, may have better training methods or get their ideas across better or the big one, just have better players who've played together for a longer period of time.




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10 Nov 2020 15:49:49
There's a chance but I think the results are there because we've mostly played teams we can counter. Leeds and Southampton showed we can be naive when the other team set up to block.
Top 10 should be the aim if we can maintain our levels and anything more is gravy.





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23 Nov 2021 15:27:24
My thoughts exactly DBS. Certain players may not be the level to push the top 6 but there's not many we won't get at least our money back on if we sell meaning it's not wasted.
Most of those players were also bought for £5mill-£15mill which value wise is a batch of lower to mid table level players who have all improved.
We can't call for patience on Gerrard and in the same breath slate the new signings for not being fully on the same page as their teammates yet.




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10 Nov 2021 15:39:36
I have been saying that if we can then probably Martinez, not likely to take us to the very top but with the experience he now has handling big players he can get us moving forward again.
Ten Hag and Mancini are 2 that are extremely ambitious and unlikely to come but worth trying.
Also, for all the negativity about him at the moment I think Koeman was dealt bad hands with Everton and Barca. Wouldn't be top of my list but still ahead of Gerrard, Lampard and JT.




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10 Nov 2021 13:39:06
That's where the word 'most' comes into play, as in not all but the large majority.
I'd also say that the last 2 are hardly the teams they were up until the 90s.
The large majority of managers play some form of 433 so that's not really a USP for Gerrard. He won a 2 horse race when the other horse didn't turn up under the pressure of a 10th title.
Of course no manager we could actually get will please everyone but it baffles me that Martinez would be second choice if reports are true. He hasn't won anything with a great squad but it takes some to stay number 1 for so long.




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10 Nov 2021 11:48:20
MON successfully managed Leicester for several years prior to Celtic and the Scottish League was more competitive at a time when investment was far lower across the world.
Gerrards stats come from a league which is mostly the equivalent of League 2 and Europe where most results have come against part timers.
It's a bad move for both parties imo. We're not in a position where it's an easy job but we're also not a team that can afford to slip out of the division due to experimentation. Goes badly and he ruins his reputation for his dream job.




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08 Nov 2021 20:24:02
If Gerrard turns out to be first choice then we may as well have stuck with Smith.
Only semi realistic option I would consider a genuine upgrade is Martinez.
Hassenhuttl I think could be a good option. His loyalty comments suggest might not come but might fancy a club with a budget who won't sell people off constantly.
Ten hag very unlikely but an ambitious reach.
Anyone else for me is a sideways step at best where we'll get the usual new manager boost but then very likely settle back into usual form.