14 Jun 2020 20:38:35
Has anyone seen Deano`s interview with Michelle owen.
It seems Deano was against any alteration to the amount of substitutes, a team can make and use.
I am not sure, but my interpretation of that suggests to me, that he will continue with his ideas until the end of the season.
I do worry about Deano`s methods at times, his behaviour and tactics indicate to me, he is very much a creature of habit.
14 Jun 2020 20:55:31
Dave, says to me that he thinks other teams back ups are much stronger than ours and the new 5 subs and 9 on the bench will only strengthen the opposition. Bearing in mind we don't have strength in depth Deano sees this as a real problem confirmed by his comments in the interview your refer to.
14 Jun 2020 21:10:38
He will have to use his substitute options to the max whether he likes the idea or not Dave, because you can be sure all the teams we play will do so.
I can’t understand his thinking on it, with 2 games a week surely it makes sense to be able to rotate players as much as possible, to avoid fatigue and injuries.
I really hope he’s not planning on using the same tactics as before the stoppage, they weren’t working before so they’re hardly likely to work now.
14 Jun 2020 21:13:28
Hi Scotty, hope you are well mate.
Yeah, I appreciate we are a bit thin on the ground as far as quality is concerned.
But the problem I have with this Scotty, is the reluctance to welcome a chance to introduce young players, from a bench that will have all we have got anyway.
14 Jun 2020 21:22:04
You can bet your bloody life he will do Mark, it all sounded a bit ominous to me mate.
I will back Villa to the end, but if we adopt the same approach I fear for us.
14 Jun 2020 22:06:02
Guys we have nothing to lose, now is the opportunity to give the young players a chance, five subs from nine on the bench should be a positive position for any manager ( except ours it seems) hope Deano is not preparing the way for excuses.
14 Jun 2020 22:44:25
Exactly Scotty, Mark, myself, and others on here have been saying it for some time now, also with previous Managers.
But when we have mentioned using a more youthful bench, it was always met with doubt and to be fair, some negativity.
We have to evolve as a club, and we should all realise that means making changes, sometimes controversial changes.
15 Jun 2020 06:08:28
If Deano gives opportunities to our youngsters and we go down it won’t be because he gave them the opportunities, it will be because we simply weren’t good enough as a squad. The more players he can involve will surely help, with 10 matches crammed into a short timeframe, to keep things fresh, and a bit different. Keeping them all competing against each other, will I think help maintain an intensity.
The other advantage of giving the youngsters game time for me is that it will give them invaluable experience for next season especially if we do go down as some of them will be required to step up from the off.
So which youngsters then? For me Louie Barry, Mungo Bridge and Aaron Ramsey should definitely be in the frame.
15 Jun 2020 12:15:51
Yeah, I would go with that group Marke, I also think Jack Clark is worth a shout mate.
Introduction to first team surroundings would also be invaluable to Cameron Archer and Dimitri Sea, he came from Athletic Club Boulogne-Billancourt, you might know a bit about them Mark.
15 Jun 2020 14:57:11
Guys I agree with the point about the youngsters however I was listening to Talksport yesterday afternoon and for once there was an interesting discussion involving Ray Houghton and Danny Mills re the use of 5 substitutes as the feeling was that I using all 5 substitutes in the same game would in most cases be counter productive as so many changes would almost certainly disturb the balance of the side. Thoughts?
15 Jun 2020 17:28:55
Having seen the odd bit of bundesliga the second halves do seem extremely disjointed with so many subs.
RE: The youngsters won't be the ones to send us down. Some people may take that view but others could equally argue that experience could have done enough to keep us there.
Advantage for the kids is there are no fans at the game being knobheads but if it doesn't go perfectly they are going to see it all over social media and they're likely to suffer confidence issues more.
15 Jun 2020 19:01:36
Experience has got us 19th in the table rk, are you not even slightly curious to see how the likes of Barry, Bridge etc. might do?
I think McGinn’s presence will make a difference, but will it be enough on its own? We weren’t exactly flying high before he got injured.
How many times this season have we faded in the last 1/ 2 hour of games. I can’t help thinking 3 or 4 fresh pairs of young legs would help prevent that.
I personally don’t think their confidence will be effected if they don’t hit the ground running, why should it? even the most experienced of players have bad games, god knows our lot have had more than their fair share. It’s all part of the learning curve, granted it’s a steep one, but I would imagine the young players I mentioned would relish the opportunity.
It’s been said many times but it’s true, “ if you’re good enough you’re old enough †but we won’t know if they’re not given the chance.
15 Jun 2020 20:46:34
rk mate, if we are going to worry what the media and others say about youngsters performances its a waste of time having them.
And again if a complaint about a personal performance affects a player that much they are in the wrong game mate.
Playing in front of a paying audience will always be open to scrutiny, please don`t come this mental health issue again, sick of hearing it, man up.
15 Jun 2020 21:12:40
We're 19th but a game in hand away from safety. Beat Sheff Utd and we only have to equal the points gain of those below us.
I'm not in a camp that would moan either way with the youngsters being played or not. If we go down fighting then so be it, as long as I see 100% effort and nothing ridiculously stupid on the pitch whoever plays.
Liverpool proved that throwing too many inexperienced youngsters in doesn't work when we smashed them with our second string of players nobody rates on here.
Regarding my backlash comment I made no referral to mental health and have never raised that as a major issue.
You cannot deny though that some of our fans take it too far, especially if it has been more than one subpar performance. Some comments I've seen on here regarding Taylor for instance have been purely offensive rather than constructively critical of performance.
15 Jun 2020 21:59:08
Ok, you said confidence issues.
I hold my hands up, but you can see my point, every problem we experience in life now becomes a mental health issue.
With due respect, Liverpool threw their whole U23 team out, and completely outplayed us, baring the goals obviously, and the result could easily have gone the other way.
Surely you know from all of my posts, that I am very tolerant to our performances, and Management.
So my recent comments are more of a plea, for changes that might improve our fortunes, because we are going to slide further down the ladder if we don`t do something soon.
15 Jun 2020 22:02:17
Come off it rk that Liverpool team was entirely made up of youngsters, I don’t think anybody on here is advocating anything that extreme. We’re mainly talking about 2 or 3 of them coming off the bench to inject a bit of energy and freshness towards the end of games.
That Liverpool youth team actually gave us the runaround for the first 20 minutes or so I seem to remember.
The point you make about people being offensive towards our players rarely applies to our youngsters. By contrast I would say the vast majority of Villa supporters get behind our young home produced players even if they are struggling. UTV.
15 Jun 2020 22:31:03
That Liverpool team did a lot of running and had one reasonable chance of scoring. If it went in who knows how we may have reacted.
The experienced players did their job cleverly, soaked up the early pressure and allowed the opposition naivety to set in. A few tricks here and there does not mean they outplayed us.
If they are good enough right now they should get a chance but having not really been used then there's clearly not enough the coaching staff have seen.
Vassilev has worked hard but has looked lost out there. Probably hasn't helped that he's come on when we're defensive but not seen him get into good positions or hold onto the ball. Archer looked good but against very poor cup opposition.
We obviously need to blood one or two like we have in the past with Cahill, Ridgewell, Barry, Clark, Baker, Gabby. Ironically we're decent at producing defensive players when we could do with a handy winger or 2.
15 Jun 2020 22:49:36
Look at the stats mate, they were very good on the night, and did Liverpool proud, I thought technically that were better than us, and our side was not second string.
In my opinion, Vassilev has never been on the ball long enough to look lost.
And position wise, if players around you can`t get into positions, how can you.
That is why we need to freshen things up, do something different.
16 Jun 2020 06:22:05
Douglas Luiz was the only player close to being a regular starter in that lineup, Konsa close but not quite. How is that not second string?
I'll repeat, fancy football only gave them 1 clear cut chance and maybe a couple of half chances. Yes, they looked good technically and have decent futures but we created better chances and scored them which is the ultimate aim in any match.
16 Jun 2020 11:18:21
Elmohahady, Kodjia, Hourihane, Taylor, Wesley, Trezeguet, Lansbury, all are seasoned professionals.
Most are internationals mate.
16 Jun 2020 13:48:43
But they aren't first 11. Wesley came on well after we won the game.
Back up players are your second string regardless of their level.
John Stones is Man City's second string despite being an England international.
16 Jun 2020 15:28:48
Rk, you seem very reluctant to accept Villa played a far more experienced side than Liverpool on the night.
And whether you like it or not, most of the players Villa put on the pitch that night, at some had experienced extended runs in the first team.
To be fair we are not talking about Stones, or any other Premiership player, we are talking Villa players.
16 Jun 2020 18:00:50
As usual it's my problem rather than the fact the point seems to be getting lost on people focusing on something completely different.
The point is that the majority of those players who played that match are not deemed good enough to play in the premier League by our manager so why would our youngsters who on the whole are even less fancied than half of that Liverpool team?
Our main struggles have been naivety in keeping the ball and giving away cheap goals especially late on, I really don't see how ending a match with 3 youngsters solves that.
We need to provide chances but in the right way. By all means ease one, maybe 2 in depending on the scoreline around 80 minutes in the first few games and see how it goes but with only 3 chances to sub we have to be careful.
Most of them need more first team exposure elsewhere. Suliman is the only one available (I think) who has really had that and you never hear of him now.
Let's be honest though, the 5 subs are almost guaranteed to be Elmo, Davis, El Ghazi/ Trez, Hourihane, Luiz/ Nakamba with the slashes depending which one started.