23 Jan 2021 11:13:52
Dare say you've all seen it, but just in case you haven't-fee of 14m, rising to 15.5m agreed with Marseille for Sanson. Cracking business and welcome to the club ðŸ‘ðŸ‘ðŸ‘.
23 Jan 2021 12:55:22
He was named in their match day squad today but guess he won't feature now.
Good business.
Where does that leave Ramsey? Send him out on loan to Championship?
We've got 8 or 9 players ahead of him in now so can't see much point keeping him for rest of this season. Pity I rate the kid.
23 Jan 2021 13:11:20
Well played Lange and/ or whoever was behind the negotiations for this. We’ve seen what reckless spending can do first hand, not only under Xia but in the MON era, where by the owner had serious funds which were wasted with players on 70k a week on the bench. Thus contributing to the owners change of stance.
We are only just undoing the mess done by previous regimes with regards to transfer fees and wages, the safety of this club has to be paramount from here on our. So whomever managed to save us between 2 and 4 million, just by being patient and tactful, well done and thank you.
I understand fans want everything done two days ago so to speak, but we have to learn from the not so recent past, otherwise we are doomed to repeat history over and over.
23 Jan 2021 14:41:36
Leaves Ramsey in the same position, Sanson takes Hourihanes position. I expect Ramsey will start today.
23 Jan 2021 14:43:22
Sorry Johnny just read your comment fully, who are these nine players ahead of Ramsey?
McGinn, Dougie, Sanson, Barkley, after that it’s a toss up of Nakamba or Ramsey. When you consider there’s 3 of those starting, being 6th on the list at worst is perfect for his development.
23 Jan 2021 15:32:56
Great news, great price, looks like a great addition, what a great addition to our staff Lange is, coupled with shakephere our club done really well in terms of staff and of coarse players in, loving this season and the new lease of life within our club, well played to all involved, vtid 💪💪.
23 Jan 2021 15:56:20
Just reading an article about his transfer and it mentioned that we may have further dealings with Marseille in this window, looking through their squad there are a couple I wouldn’t mind having, I seen Leeds banter suggesting amavi is available, he would be a great addition instead of Taylor to compete with targett, see payet there also but if memory serves me right didn’t he have a bad attitude towards the end of his West Ham days, might just be usual news now BS but it wouldn’t surprise me as there is value to be had in France right now, AVB will be annoyed at the fee after embarrassing himself moaning about the first bid.
23 Jan 2021 16:23:10
Chris, we’ve got 9 midfield/ attacking midfield options. Luisa, McGinn, Nakamba, Barkley, Grealish, Trezeguet, Traore, El Ghazi plus Sanson.
Granted they can’t/ don’t all play in the same position but I doubt you would pick Ramsey ahead of any of them would you?
Ramsey isn’t quite in the same position. Hourihane would be behind Sanson if he’d stayed and you could then argue picking Ramsey ahead of Hourihane but maybe not ahead of Sanson. He won’t be competing for Luiz, Nakamba or McGinn position either. He certainly won’t get in ahead of the attacking options of Grealish, Barkley, Traore, ElGhazi and Trezeguet.
I like the kid but if he could get a decent loan move and game time should it be considered?
It was a question rather than a ‘must happen’.
23 Jan 2021 16:52:44
Ramsey is a centre mid mate, he’s in competition with Barkley, McGinn, Dougie, Sanson and Nakamba.
Out of them, on current usage he’s most likely fifth in that ranking. And considering 3 of them are going to start, he’s second choice sub behind Sanson, as he’s had significantly more play time recently than Nakamba. Best place for him to learn at the minute is here IMO, but I can see a decent Lon move to an attacking side where he is definitely going to start, would work well.
However trinity, I can promise you, El Ghazi, Trez or Traore won’t be playing centre mid for us anytime soon😂.
23 Jan 2021 17:12:27
Agree Chris, Ramsey usually comes on in place of Barkley or a winger, where of coarse jack moves out wide and Ramsey plays central, bookings are building up we will need him imo, like today he will probably start instead of maginn, if Barkley picks up another injury then we would be starting either sanson or Ramsey in his place leaving him and marvellous our only center midfield subs.
23 Jan 2021 17:18:17
Those 9 players you mention Trinity will be competing for 5 places in the team. That would leave 4 over then, let’s say Nakamba, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and Ramsey. There would definitely be room for all 4 of them to be on a bench of 9 along with say Heaton, Elmo, Hause, Guilbert and say Davis for example. Nakamba is the obvious DM cover, and so I think Ramsey would be more than capable of challenging Trez or El Ghazi for covering the 4 more attacking positions in the team. He has already shown that he is ready for the step up to the Premier League and Deano has said as much over the last few days.
I don’t think 4 players covering 5 positions is excessive and there are always going to be injuries, suspensions, fatigue and loss of form, so I think Ramsey will still get adequate opportunities despite the arrival of Sanson.
I apologize if it was Chris who you wanted to answer your post.
23 Jan 2021 18:31:01
Not at all Frenchy. I take the point.
As I say, I like the kid but how much game time is he going to get with us this year?
I honestly don’ think he’ll be on the bench ahead of any 2 of Trezeguet or Traore or ElGhazi or Barkley,
Keeping him is fine with me. As previously mentioned, it was a question?
Assume of the 5 positions we have Grealish, Barkley, El Ghazi, McGinn and Luiz starting that leaves 3 places on bench for cam/ am, Sanson, Trezeguet, Traore and Nakamba?
Assume all fit, where does Ramsey fit into that mix?
23 Jan 2021 18:40:24
Ramsey is comfortably ahead of Nakamba in the pecking order at the moment. Ideally you want two players for every position, with that we need 3 back up central midfielders, or 2 and one number 10. Ramsey can play both. Ramsey will see some game time tonight, won’t surprise me if he starts.
The wingers shouldn’t come into question when discussions Ramsey, whilst he probably can play out wide, I think he did for Doncaster on occasion, he is central for us, and Trez, El Ghazi and Traore are the designated wide men.
23 Jan 2021 18:57:24
I think Ramsey is good enough to compete against any of the options on the bench in that scenario. He’s a young player who’s improving all the time and could very easily go up in the pecking order.
Admittedly there would in fact be 10 players competing for 5 places but I think it will be on rare occasions that all of them will be available. I would be surprised if there are many match days where Ramsey doesn’t feature at the very least on the bench.
I wonder how Ramsey would feel about it, if given the choice to fight for a first team place or to be loaned out to Championship side, If it was me I’d want to stay.
23 Jan 2021 19:13:58
Well Chris, he’s on the bench tonight I’m pleased to say but behind Nakamba who starts in place of suspended McGinn. When you have Sanson coming in it suddenly looks a bit busy in there doesn’t it.
23 Jan 2021 19:22:52
I really can’t see your worries trinity, in our last 8 league games he’s started one and been sub in 7 and came off the bench in 6 of those 7. He has a lot more minutes than Nakamba this season, the addition of Sanson makes things more competitive but going off the facts it only makes Nakambas position more vulnerable, not Ramsey’s.
24 Jan 2021 01:06:04
Agreed Chris, I don't understand how people think Ramsey is competing with Trezeguet, Traore etc for a starting place. It's like some people's understanding of football is based purely on Darren Bent's punditry.
24 Jan 2021 11:21:53
Its not that at all DB, the fact of the matter is, we don`t all see things the same, therefore ideas differ.
Nowt wrong with that mate.
24 Jan 2021 12:31:48
Wait a minute Dave, I’ve just realized with initials like that, this could be the Guvnor himself, although I didn’t know he had a middle name. If that’s the case then, maybe we should all bow down to his superior knowledge ðŸ˜.
25 Jan 2021 12:32:40
Absolutely no problem with differing ideas Villadave, but my comment was specifically about the suggestion that Ramsey was competing with the likes of Trezeguet and Traore for a starting place. That's not an 'idea', that's just inaccurate.
Anyway, nowt wrong with that either way as you rightly say!
25 Jan 2021 17:07:59
Consider this scenario, we need an attacking midfielder and our main men are injured, suspended or whatever and Deano was therefore left with a choice of Trez, El Ghazi, Traoré all of who have had experience of playing in that position at some point, or playing Ramsey. Is that not an example of where Ramsey could be competing with those players for a place in the team.
26 Jan 2021 11:40:50
Hi Mark, I'm not quite sure what your example is trying to suggest there? When you say attacking midfielder, I'm assuming you mean either the no.10 role or possibly no.8, and aren't talking about playing on the wing?
I can say with some confidence that Smith isn't going to pick any of our wide players ahead of Ramsey in a central position. How many times has he picked any of the players you mention centrally when he's had the option of Ramsey? None as far as I remember, which to me would indicate Smith doesn't see them competing for the same position. Yes there could always be an unusual scenario which changes things - if all our keeper got injured then Hause and Engels would be competing for the goalkeeper position. My point is just than given a usual match day, Ramsey is not competing with the wingers mentioned previously which is where all this started. If you or others see it differently, fair play to you. I just don't understand how you would come to that conclusion on the evidence of this season.
Good conversation though and nice to be talking about this stuff rather than who should be sacked and the club being a shambles eh!
26 Jan 2021 12:22:00
I hope you’re not putting me in the category of posters described in your last paragraph DBS. Since we’ve had NSWE as owners, I’ve only ever been positive for the future of our club.
Regarding Ramsey, I accept that it’s highly unlikely we’ll ever see Ramsey playing out on the wings, but he is only 19, and therefore I think it’s far too early to say definitively where is best position will be. He is a very talented lad, and may well be capable of playing in more roles than we’ve seen up to now.
26 Jan 2021 12:47:14
Calm down Mark, I'm not putting you in any category and was just making a positive point, that its nice for us as Villa fans to have this sort of conversation as things are going well with the club rather than the usual debate about where it's all going wrong.
I haven't tried to make any point other than some of the comments on here suggesting that Ramsey will be competing with our wingers for a starting place seem strange.