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16 Apr 2021 21:43:36
On the youth subject, what is wrong with learning and getting minutes in the 1st team squad, not every player has to go on loan, look at Harry kanes loans he was Hardy prolific at, Leicester and Norwich, some players learn more staying at there club, you can see if you have watched our youngsters there at least 4 ready for minutes, chukwere, Barry, biddance, kessler, for me aswell I'd rather chuck play over barkley, I haven't even mentioned young Ramsey aswell, sending them out on loan for a few seasons could hurt them in my view, I'd keep them around 1st team they would learn more.

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16 Apr 2021 22:33:07
He wasn't prolific at those clubs but it gave him the platform to get used to first team football and get those less effective years out of his system away from the limelight.
If he'd have been thrown in at Spurs first thing and not had a big effect it all could have gone the other way.
Also, Kanes chance came from all of their strikers being injured and they didn't have a choice. It worked out very well but I can't see how this example really highlights the need to throw people in now.

17 Apr 2021 08:48:56
Kane is almost the perfect example of why we shouldn't fast track our kids to the first team - Kane learned his trade in the lower leagues and when his chance came in the PL, he was physically and mentally ready. We clearly have some talented players coming through the ranks but as RK highlighted, they are currently 9th (out of 13) in Division 2 (Under 23s), it's not like they are running riot at the top of Division 1 so to say they are ready for minutes in the Premier League is a little premature in my opinion.

17 Apr 2021 09:09:38
As far as the u23s league position goes, most are 17,18 19 years of age, eligible for the u18s hence the majority playing in the youth Cup. They're gaining experience against more physically developed players, which could prove invaluable in the long term. What a few on here are trying to say is that, before decent loans can be arranged for next season, a reward for their development could be in the way of a place on the bench for the 1st team-valuable experience and if circumstances dictate within a game a possible 10 minute cameo, hopefully whetting their appetite to keep improving and pushing the boundaries with a clear indication that hard work will pay off.
We have 8 games to go, still with a mathematical possibility of Europe, but would it do any harm to have at least 1 on the bench for each remaining game ie Hayden instead of Elmo or Taylor, who will most likely not be here next season? It's an opportunity to try something different with no relegation pressure and the feeling of walking out onto the Villa Park pitch could be a real confidence boost.
Personally, for myself anyway, one of the proudest moments of me supporting Villa was watching those kids give liverpool a scare in the cup and I watched the entire game with a smile on my face something that doesn't often happen with the 1st team 😁👍.

17 Apr 2021 13:54:29
Good post Moose, the words of wisdom and common sense.
All we want is some faith shown in our youngsters, not a lot to ask in my opinion.

17 Apr 2021 14:01:45
Yep agree there needs to be a pathway for our youth players.

17 Apr 2021 14:44:00
3 words that very rarely apply to me- wisdom and common sense 🤣🤣🤣👍.

17 Apr 2021 14:49:57
Nicky Butt 17, Ryan Giggs 17, David Beckham 17, Gary Neville 17, Phil Neville just turned 18, Paul Scholes 19.
These were the ages of Ferguson’s fledglings when they made their Manchester United debuts. I do not recall any of them going out on loan before making those debuts.

No doubt Sir Alex had his critics for introducing them at those ages and I seem to remember his young side were on the receiving end of some hefty defeats in the early days. Those boys soon developed into men however and the rest is history.
As Moose said in his post further down the page, fortune favours the brave.

18 Apr 2021 09:31:25
Beckham went to Preston first I believe.
The game has changed a lot, the fitness of all players and the fact that skills and tactics are considered in far more detail means it's a lot harder for those young players to run rings around people.
Players in their 30s can now keep up with younger players which they definitely couldn't do when they were still eating Maccies for breakfast.

18 Apr 2021 11:10:52
He made his debut for United when he was 17 in 1992 I believe and went to Preston briefly in 1994.
I can’t remember the game being less intense in those days rk or perhaps my memory deceives me nowadays 😁.

18 Apr 2021 14:21:21
I'd say intense in physicality and determination rather than sheer running numbers.
If you go through the years and have a race between Owen, Walcott and Traore at their peak running then it almost definitely goes most recent wins.



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