20 Jan 2021 22:33:48
Personally I think it was a decision that could have gone either way, would we have complained if we had have scored from the same thing,
Mings should have cleared it instead of messing around and trying to be cleaver, what happened tonight is isn't a new rule its been around ages
It the gloss of a great team display and a team that are fighting for each other on to the next one boys.
21 Jan 2021 07:14:12
It’s not a new rule because they’ve completely butchered a rule designed for a different situation in case of a player intercepting a back pass, in order to defend a scandalous decision.
Same thing happened in the Juve game last night, offside straight away. The same thing happens up and down country week in week out and it’s offside. Because the actual rule that's applied states that as soon as Rodri makes a movement toward the ball/ player he is interfering with play and therefore offside.
21 Jan 2021 10:09:22
I am as annoyed as everybody about the goal but the rule has been there for ages.
The player is not offside if he doesn't receive the ball directly.
In most games the linesman appears to flag late as the offside player could have to run several yards before he plays the ball.
If he gets the ball in an offside position is he deemed to be offside.
Mings played the ball as he would and that means the player becomes onside and is now at an advantage as the ball is played to him by the opposition and therefore the player cannot be offside.
In every game you see a player deliberately stand in an offside position knowing he will not get the ball. This actually makes defenders watch this player instead of the player they should be marking.
A few years back I think Barcelona worked it out and put a player well offside and the player stayed in that position till the ball was played by a defender. The usual result was that Messi scored.
The old fashioned rule of offside was simple as if there were less than 2 people between the player and the goal he was offside, no questions, offside.
However if Mings had obeyed the first rule of a defender and cleared the ball first time we would not be discussing the situation.
Much as it grieves me but yet another case of a player making a mistake.
21 Jan 2021 10:50:51
If that is the case and it’s been there for “ages†why in 99.9999% of other cases do they apply the rule that follows the one you have mentioned. Is that because they have thrown in a rule and attempted to butcher it in order to cover a mistake? Yes.
The rule being mentioned isn’t for that situation, the one that is literally lines below does. As a quick example that you will definitely have seen is the goal at Burnley ruled out last year because Wesley’s heel was deemed to be offside. There is no way, unless the rules have changed between now and then, there is no way one goal stands and the other stands.
They made a mistake, and have attempted to throw in a rule in order to hide it, unfortunately there are examples every Saturday up and down the country, and every time the player is offside.
The funniest thing, the same night Juve vs Napoli, same thing happens, player offside, freekick.
This is just another example of the standard of refereeing in this country, and also their ignorance. Countless mistakes week in week out, they throw out some stupid excuse after and that’s the end of it. It’s not good enough, but whilst there’s still happy clappers who lap it up, things won’t change. But it will be the same happy clappers who will switch and moan at the next one and wonder why it’s still happening.
It used to be thought sometimes playing against 12, with VAR it’s against 13 at time, there’s no other profession where you can consistently perform so poorly and get away with it.
21 Jan 2021 11:14:23
A player is offside if he is running back in to play and interfere with the ball if that's the case Old Villian why has nobody done this before and nobody has heard of it?
21 Jan 2021 11:13:18
My biggest question is, if the rule has being there for 4 years why have we not seen it until now? Could it be that it’s taken 4 years for a player to be coming back from offside and interfere with play? I think not! Happens every week at some point, last year the second rodri went to touch that ball the flag would go straight up. what do the Ed’s think on this 1, interested to hear non biased opinions.
{Ed001's Note - normally it would immediately be called offside, because it is. Rodri moved towards the ball all the time, which makes him offside before Mings touches the ball, so the minute he actually acts the first offence is usually called. They messed up and this is what they do when it happens. Liverpool fans have been telling the rest of you this for years. This exact same bull**** was used to excuse Harry Kane not being called offside against Liverpool a few year's back and it was never interpreted that way again afterwards until now. It is just the PGMOL making up excuses to cover up an official's mistake once more.}
21 Jan 2021 11:21:28
Watching Dermot Gallagher backtrack last night was also sickening, his excuse “I didn’t notice that mings tried to intentionally play the ball†so what do u think then Dermot did u think mings was just standing there casually counting butterflies when the ball was headed into him from maybe 6-8 yards away and he didn’t see it and it just hit off him without him knowing, most ridiculous excuse I’ve ever heard he clearly had no idea of that rule when he’s paid by BT to give expert opinion on decisions in games.
21 Jan 2021 12:25:22
Thanks ed glad to hear it’s not just us looking through claret and blue glasses lol. nothing we can do but accept it but it will be interesting to see what happens the next time the same situation occurs.
21 Jan 2021 12:47:55
Thank you Ed, I’ve been trying to say this since it happened. They’ve thrown a rule out to try and cover it as they always do and people have just took it without any investigation of there own.
I’m starting to see that nothings going to change until all fans call it out, not just when it goes against their team.
{Ed001's Note - exactly mate, people will just accuse you of sour grapes and whining when it happens unless people start calling these out when they go in your favour as well as when they go against you. First thing that needs doing is removing Mike Riley from his post in charge of the PGMOL and any role involving football. He is the biggest problem with his constant lies made up to cover for official's mistakes.}
21 Jan 2021 14:07:10
Couldn’t agree more, PGMOL has been appalling for a while, and they are arrogant to it, they never make any effort to fix the glaring issues.
From here on I’m going to put the same amount of effort into highlighting the issues in other games aswell as Villa’s.
{Ed001's Note - that's what needs to be done, if there is enough of a groundswell within the fans the game will have to act.}
21 Jan 2021 14:12:21
As soon as a player coming back from an offside position gets anywhere near the ball he is flagged offside, happens more than once in every game.
{Ed001's Note - exactly. If Rodri had stood still and then Mings miscontrols to his vicinity, that is then not offside. But Rodri was clearly moving towards the ball, has to be offside.}
21 Jan 2021 19:25:50
I'm as sick as everyone else about the decision, but for talk sake if mings had of controlled the and back passed to the keeper and rodri then intercepted the ball, the rules are rodri is not offside,
There was 2 mistakes here the refereeing and unfortunately mings should have cleared the ball,
Personally I found the penalty decision more annoying where was cash supposed to put his hands, That game was a free hit we were playing the best team in the league and we gave them a excellent count of ourselves we are now a team that nobody wants to play and everybody wants to watch us play.
21 Jan 2021 20:56:32
If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.
Mings didn’t control the ball and pass it back to the keeper, didn’t even attempt to.
21 Jan 2021 21:37:00
Quick question - what would have happened if instead of chesting the ball mings had just tried to head the ball back to the keeper? Rodri would have received the ball and immediately been ‘flagged’ offside. 100% guaranteed.
21 Jan 2021 22:29:01
Woods, the problem with the rule is interpretation. If Mings clearly deliberately heads it in that direction then it isn't offside. If he tries a clearing header and it flicks off then it should be. The water gets muddied when you take the Kane incident a few years back where Lovren sliced an attempted forward pass where it was not controlled but in all probability should have been.
Control is the problem word here, chesting a ball could technically just be a blocking action but also be a controlling action so the referee is making an assumption.
The only way to take doubt away should be that there has to be an action after the defending player touches it, be that a pass or a tackle from a non-offside player.
22 Jan 2021 09:11:16
I think the fact that the decision in the Juventus game was offside proves Irishvillan's point, it could have gone either way.
They will change the rule, again now.