10 Nov 2020 19:52:15
Just a quick question, there's no underlying current behind it or hidden agenda, so, in regard to the greg Clarke fiasco, he used the term "coloured players"; and has resigned now for this, it is what it is, but just out of interest, what terminology should now be used?, Any info would appreciated, cheers.
10 Nov 2020 21:57:17
82, for some reason it has again become part of our "shall we shan`t we" situation.
I have a Jamaican Brother in law, and he is miffed by it all mate.
Apparently Greg Clarke used to use the term players of colour, same two words used but a different way round.
When I was younger you would get slated for saying a coloured man, you should say Black man.
The world is going mad mate, and we have seen nothing yet.
10 Nov 2020 22:09:16
Black, although not sure how others feel about Minority Ethnic in BAME, seems rather disrespectful in its own right.
I'm sure persons of differing ethnic backgrounds would mostly prefer to be referred to as their name, or just people in general.
It all could have been avoided by just focusing the discussion against racist actions full stop. We know how the recipients feel, focus on discussing the solutions rather than going on about the features the pondscum are attacking.
10 Nov 2020 22:58:45
I am confused by this issue on how to properly address non caucasian members of planet earth. I think it is quite difficult remain on top of what people deem acceptable or not as the case may be, but surely it is about the context in which words are used not the words themselves that are the problem I fear that if the activists are not careful they may very well drive some people into the very behaviour we all want to see stopped.
{Ed001's Note - that is not why Clarke resigned at all. He has a whole series of racist gaffes on record, then he made a number more of comments that were insulting, dismissive and downright bigoted. Oh and he was the guy heavily involved in that project big picture and was already being pushed out of the door anyway.}
11 Nov 2020 02:42:30
Cheers for the replies fellas, I don't know what to think about this.
11 Nov 2020 14:26:12
Its is what it is 82, and I do agree with John, all of our family use the term black man or black people.
There is a similar problem when talking about disabled people, plump people.
What I do take offence to, is people picking me up about it, we cannot be afraid to talk in general, as long as it is not meant as an insult.
It never ends Ginger hair, short people, get a life I say.
11 Nov 2020 14:43:52
Ed, perfect summary and factual. Whilst coloured is obviously not pc, many old school don't see it as racist, my nans first marriage was to a Jamaican guy, and she always used to refer to black people as coloured, she was the least racist person ever put on the planet.
11 Nov 2020 17:17:03
I didn't realise coloured was now a bad word. I can't keep up.
11 Nov 2020 17:55:01
And I hope that didn't seem ignorant. I genuinely didn't know that. I believe I use the term 'black' myself as others have said here also. I will happily call people whatever they would like me to, but sometimes it's easy to offend people accidentally, in all sorts of subjects that also aren't race. Some people still use the word 'handicapped' to describe disabilities which can infuriate some people (I only realised this due to a family member who uses a wheelchair), but I can also understand if someone doesn't yet realise that that word is now considered unacceptable. We need a spreadsheet.
11 Nov 2020 18:36:07
A personal true note to how difficult this situation has become.
my son was accused of making a racist comment at work when he referred to a lady as an Indian lady. She came from India.
The lady didn't complain, a third party complained.
He was made to attend a tribunal where it was agreed the comment was racist.
He lost a months money and his role was gradually eroded till he was nothing more than a "tea boy."
This had an effect on his health and finally he had a breakdown and has been unable to work as he has an anxiately complex.
After the tribunal he asked how he should refer to a man from America and no one could provide an answer.
That is how difficult the situation has become.
11 Nov 2020 18:38:54
Dave I might be going out on a limb but personally I don’t think coloured is a bad word, not too long ago this term was I believe acceptable, as I said in an earlier post it’s all about the context in which the word is used which should be the determinant as to whether or not it was intended as a racist slur. If the term black is deemed racist when referring to the colour of someone’s skin shouldn’t the use of the word white be equally deemed racist and as. society is this what it’s all about?
11 Nov 2020 18:53:49
That's mad theoldvillan. We should just all never speak ever again, it's safer.