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10 Apr 2020 11:23:36
Sorry last post a bit jumbled thought this might help.

Points Villa
Home 1.3 points / game
Away 0.5 points/ game
Home games left = 6 x 1.3points/ game = 8 points
Away games left = 4 x 0.53 points/ game = 2 points
Total points = 25 + 8 + 2 = 35

Points Bournemouth
Home 1.2 points/ game
Away 0.5 points/ game
Home games left = 5 x 1.2 =6
Away games left = 4 x 0.5 = 2
Total Points = 27 + 6 + 2 + 35

Points West Ham
Home 0.9 points/ game
Away 0.9 points/ game
Home games left = 3 x 0.9 = 3
Away games left = 6 x 0.9 = 5
Total Points = 27 + 3 + 5 + 35

Watford Points
Home 1.3 points/ game
Away points 0.5/ game
Home games left = 4 x 1.3 = 5
Away games left = 5 x 0.5 = 2
Total Points = 27 + 5 + 2 + 34

Have missed off Norwich as already down.

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10 Apr 2020 13:10:28
Pluffy, how would that work with our last game away to West Ham.
Surely that would send us down, as our away points .5, is lower than West Hams home points .9.

10 Apr 2020 13:37:30
I think that's the point there is no way the premier league just averaging points can work and be fair, you either complete or void.

10 Apr 2020 13:44:47
Hi Dave just forgot, also if you are averaging out it doesn't matter who you are playing you still have to average over the games remaining.

10 Apr 2020 14:11:34
Pluffy, an easier equation would be 25 divided by 28, times 38 = 33.9.

10 Apr 2020 14:45:22
Yeah you are right Pluffy, realised myself after mate.

10 Apr 2020 15:01:52
Hello Pluffy, I noticed in your calculations that in some cases you’ve rounded up and sometimes down. If you calculate to 1 decimal place in all instances and then add up, I think you’ll find that Villa are relegated.
If they do decide to cancel the season, I hope they don’t use this system and that they go for the no teams relegated and 2 promoted from the championship option.
Therefore back to 22 teams in the premier league for one season and relegate the bottom 5 clubs, at the end of next season, and promote 3 teams from the Championship
This would only mean an extra 4 games to play next season which wouldn’t be asking a lot. The tv companies would surely be happy with more games to televise and I would imagine there would be less legal issues facing the Premier League if they were to go down that route.

{Ed002's Note - The idea presented to the PL with two promoted through the leagues and no relegation would be, in the case of the Premier League, be 4 down for each of the next two seasons.}

10 Apr 2020 15:19:06
Thanks Ed002, do you think this would be the best way of resolving the situation if they were to cancel the rest of the season?

{Ed002's Note - I think when the time comes the best solution is to draw a line across and promote 2 and relegate none, then relegate four over the following two years, give a break over FFP (which will allow the two PL sides (Aston Villa and Everton) to try and get things in order. Then European places would be allocated on league positions when the line is drawn across (the League Cup has been won and changes nothing). That would leave Liverpool, if they so wish, to ask the Premier League to vote on whether or not they are awarded the title. It would need to be a black ball vote meaning the other clubs have to say yes or abstain. Sadly Liverpool have behaved very poorly towards other sides, that is unlikely to give them the solution they want. A number of clubs already support this approach if the season cannot be finished.}

10 Apr 2020 15:25:53
Hi Mark it depends where you draw the line do you use 1, 2, 3 or 10 decimal places the results differ. I was just trying to point out that if you try to use a method of averaging there will always be 1 or 2 sides who will be taking legal action.

{Ed002's Note - Legal action against whom?}

10 Apr 2020 15:29:19
Hi tricky if you divide 25 by 28 you don't take into account the difference rate of points for home and away.
The only way this would work is if all teams had the same number of home and away games.

{Ed002's Note - But this is not a proposal that has been discussed.}

10 Apr 2020 16:59:55
I think whatever happens and whichever plan or proposal is put forward not everyone will be happy. Yes its good with the prestige of being in the greed league and the quality and pace of it which has moved on significantly since we were last there but, if we were relegated and its still a big IF, can anybody say they didn't enjoy the championship with all the excitement and a more even playing field? At the moment, for myself and probably many out there, there are more important things to worry about at the moment, even though we all love football.
On a slightly different note I've noticed the article by Conor Coady about being proud of #playerstogether. Yes they're doing their bit but do you really need to push the point of being thanked for it when every day NHS and frontline workers are putting their lives on the line and expecting no praise for doing their job, though we do show our appreciation with the clap for carers every day. These ordinary people are the true heroes we should be celebrating not someone who's good at kicking a bag of wind about. We all have football and AVFC in our blood but let's pause and reflect what's really important in these trying times. Everyone keep safe and hopefully together we'll be able to get our lives back soon.

10 Apr 2020 17:52:58
To the point, and well said.
Totally agree with everything you have said Moose.
And just to highlight the point about the Championship, much more fun and excitement.

10 Apr 2020 18:31:28
You’ve made some very good points there, as we’ve come to expect now, Moose.
There are always winners and losers. If for example they go for 2 up and 0 down, that would be really tough on the likes of Fulham, Brentford and Forrest, who would miss out on the playoffs.
Personally though, I hope we don’t become one of the losers out of all this. After spending the best part of the season in the League of greed it’s easy to see how far we’ve fallen behind and surely that’s because we’ve spent too long out of it.
Yes it was enjoyable in the Championship but not all of the time we were there. I can’t remember too many supporters expressing their joy when we languishing in the middle of the table and sometimes lower than that.
For me, if we are going to compete with the best, we need to continue to play against the best and therefore retain our status in the League of greed.

10 Apr 2020 18:52:31
A point well made Mark obviously our first season was s##t and despite the dire football under Bruce we had the excitement of the play offs and final tho ultimately failing and the financial fallout from that but we came out of it stronger and the rush of our 10 game winning streak play offs and final win was fantastic. And yes it would be nice to stay in the premier and get to a stage where we can compete with the elite Sky Super Six but I fear the monopoly these clubs hold will make that very difficult. I'd love to see us feasting at the top table but with the FFP rules that seem to apply to some and not others may hamper that an example being Bournemouth who despite a capacity of about 13,000 can afford to spend 20-30 million on players and still be ok . Also Everton who have apparently spent something like 2 billion (if that figure was accurate when I heard it on Sky) over the past 3-4 seasons. baffling but not sure how it all works.

10 Apr 2020 19:37:52
No, I can’t always get my head around all the complexities Moose, but that’s for our owners and the club’s financial experts to get right.
I’ve said this on several occasions as has Dave, the way to get around FFP is to produce our own players, and try and become more self sufficient.
This is the vision of the owners and some significant changes they’ve already made in personnel and structuring are hopefully moving us in that direction.
They are thinking long term and not quick fix, and I think it could well mean a roller coaster ride, but I think relegation would significantly slow the process down, and you know mate, I would like think these objectives will be achieved in my lifetime. 1981/ 82 was a bloody long time ago.

10 Apr 2020 20:13:08
Definitely I was young then lol I'd like to think we can achieve that aim but as you say it may take time and patience not the quick fix pretty much every team in the premier has adopted and nearly always players from abroad and not promoting from within which I think is linked to the cash incentives on offer in the big league. And thank you Villadave for your comment earlier and indeed anyone who gets involved with the conversation.

10 Apr 2020 21:27:05
Hey you two, you are scaring the brown stuff out of me here.
Blimey, you tend to forget how long ago 81/ 82 was.
I am hoping that as a club we learn from all of this, spending vast amounts of money will not guarantee success.
Whether we have the good fortune to stay up, or the miss fortune to drop down, we must introduce our young talent to the rigors of first team football.
We have some very good player chomping at the bit for a chance, and by playing them we may find a couple of gems.

10 Apr 2020 22:03:01
If they're never given a proper chance how will we ever know Dave? I've seen plenty of games this season where teams have thrown in a youngster Billy Gilmore at Chelsea being a prime example even the lad who made his debut for Southampton against us though I don't remember his name. Maybe being introduced to a settled side with a system in place helps and with our players changing week to week and not really having an established system it may be detrimental to their development but its sink or swim . If they're good enough the cream will always rise to the top and will be much more sustainable than throwing money about in the scatter gun fashion we seem to have adopted under Suso and people before him. Though I will add a squad overhaul was needed but maybe with hindsight a more methodical approach would have been better.

10 Apr 2020 22:35:27
I think what everybody needs to realize is this isn’t going to happen quickly and patience is the key word, something Villa supporters have notoriously lacked throughout the years. The important thing is the building blocks are in place. Is Dean Smith the man bold enough to get the ball rolling and start giving the youngsters adequate opportunities as well as assisting in their development?
I hope so, but that remains to be seen.

10 Apr 2020 23:54:21
Continuity is the key here Mark and if the season is abandoned and we're saved from relegation I think we should stick with Deano and hope that lessons have been learned from the mistakes that have been made. This enforced break has hopefully given everyone the chance to regroup and reassess and with a better strategy both playing and recruitment wise see how the new season goes. I think a minimum 8-10 games would be enough to judge improvement or otherwise and only then make the call on management.



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