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10 Dec 2022 21:53:55
We complain about our refs,but the one tonight was an utter disgrace. The two pens we did get,he didn't want to give us .England played well,but finishing let us down .

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10 Dec 2022 22:13:34
Most people on here know that I am no fan of Southgate’s but fair play to him he didn’t revert to type by going to play 3 at the back we concentrated more on how we could hurt France rather than worrying about what they could do to us.

Although we started slowly, we did play well in the second half and poor refereeing cost us but that said we still moved the ball too slowly and passed the ball sideways and backwards far too often. It will be interesting to see what Southgate does now.

11 Dec 2022 01:34:19
England played pretty well when they were behind but when they got the equaliser they reverted back to boring Southgate tactics, slowing play right down at every chance, then improved again after going 2-1 down, they need to pit on their big boy pants, Jude and slab head say the ref gave them nothing the whole game? He gave them 2 penalties, the first one instantaneously the second after looking at the monitor, I’ll admit the ref wasn’t great but neither were England they had 100 minutes and couldn’t score a goal from open play, France didn’t play well but scored 2 goals from open play, were England going to score a goal in either of the 2 penalty incidents? I don’t think they were to be honest. However if stones and maguire had of done their job defending then they wouldn’t of being in that predicament in the first place, they need to look at themselves instead of looking for excuses, this was their first real test in the competition and they rubbish the bed, buying into their own hype, all the talk of Bellingham and imo saka was twice they player throughout the competition, I’m not a lover of France either since Henry cheated us a few years back playing basketball in the box but they look like the team to beat, would love to see Morocco win it out but injuries going to hurt them.

11 Dec 2022 10:02:13
Totally agree, Whack. Another choke at the big occasion. It's like we are happy at level and only step up when we are behind. Nothing has changed for thirty odd years, and until we get a proper world class manager nothing will. Southgate talks well and has brought the players together, but that's where it ends. I am hoping for Pochettino in the near future.

11 Dec 2022 11:43:50
I couldn’t believe it when saka came off he looked like doing something every time he ran at them, surprised to see sterling coming on he added nothing, big late with grealish aswel I can’t remember him getting to touch the ball, as a nation England have some serious amount of talent available to them and a blind man can see Southgate will never get the best out of them.

11 Dec 2022 12:07:45
What a load of rubbish. Maguire and stones were solid enough, England controlled much of the game and were unlucky. We've had so called world class managers before with supposedly our golden generation and Southgate has out performed them all. If the 2nd penalty goes in we would've probably gone onto win. We had to play the ball around because France were dropping back. Whack and 56 you must've been watching a different game/tournament

11 Dec 2022 14:06:59
Buck agree completely, as you say, second pen goes in and we would of gone on to win . With the subs I think Southgate was worried about extra time .

11 Dec 2022 17:44:10
Southgate will stay in charge as long as he wants too I’m afraid, in fairness he has a number of positive attributes, so from the FA perspective he is great PR, takes the heat off the top guys and is not going to end up in hot water a la Sam Allardyce. He is also well liked and it seems respected by the players and he certainly seems to have the whole squad pulling in the same direction which is something that we haven’t had for quite some time if ever at all. But here’s the problem tactically he is weak yesterday’s performance was better in that he seemed to be prepared to let the team play more offensively but we still moved the ball sideways and backwards far too much, when the French threatened you could see how much more quickly they moved the ball creating gaps which runners could exploit. So we have competed in 15 World Cups and got to 3 semi finals, Croatia a country with a population of something like 3 million people have competed in 6 World Cups and got to 3 semi finals. Our record is piss poor, we beat who we are expected to beat but when we come up against sides who are on paper the equal of ours or potentially better we continually fall short I don’t see that changing with Southgate in charge.

11 Dec 2022 18:54:13
2 center backs giving up 2 goals is not a solid display in my book lads, even Iran scored 2 goals against them they were always going to cost ye in this tournament. and sure if the penalties had of went in back in the euros you would of won aswel but they didn’t, Harry spent to much time fixing his thigh high socks I thought I was watching WSL there at 1 stage ?? can’t have any complaints when you can’t score from play in my book, the best team in the world at any given time can defend well and score goals against good opposition and this England team can’t do either. They have the players so it’s obviously the manager and tactics, and a bit of arrogance to top it off.

11 Dec 2022 20:24:08
We finished with 57% possession 16 shots with 8 on target. With xg 2.41 compared to Frances 8 shots and xg of 1. We were unlucky. If this was Villa you'd be bemoaning the refs decisions especially the foul on Saka before Frances 1st goal.

11 Dec 2022 20:39:14
Whack,this is coming to someone who is also Irish you need to get over the green eyed

11 Dec 2022 20:49:29
Bloody pressed the wrong button?

I agree to a certain extent about Southgate but come on you have to admit England played well against a good French team, we scored plenty of goals from open play in the tournament you can’t do that in every game, and we didn’t get the rub of the green when it came to refereeing decisions. The game could have gone either way but England lost again having said that though I do think Southgate again made some unfathomable decisions ie why did Saka come off he was our most dangerous player? Why on earth was Mount brought on he has done nothing all tournament, and why bring on a player who has just flown in from England after a burglary at his home when his mind is probably elsewhere. And why bring Grealish on with 59 seconds left? That is why England will never win anything with Southgate in charge.

11 Dec 2022 22:16:24
If you look up through the thread I did say England played pretty well when they were behind and they had to go for it.
RE the foul on saka yes it may have being a foul but are they always given? Answer is no not always and it was at the opposite end of the pitch so it had no bearing on the goal in fairness.
buck those stats just consolidate Southgate’s failure and no other proof needed that he hasn’t the pedigree to win a major tournament, you scored goals against poor teams but not against the more elite sides, how bad were results in the run up to the tournament? This has not come as a surprise.







 

 

 
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